cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/47351758

“Targets included missile launch sites and Iranian boats attempting to emplace mines. U.S. Central Command continues to defend our forces while using restraint during the ongoing ceasefire.”

The strikes come just hours after Trump said negotiations with Iran were “proceeding nicely.”

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    5 days ago

    How much are you hearing about progress on the Epstein situation lately?

    How much were we hearing just before they attacked Iran?

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      5 days ago

      Also, they obviously do not give a fuck about the Epstein files, at all.

      They are going after Hasan Piker instead of doing even the least amount of anything against any of the Epstein Class.

      As a for example…

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      4 days ago

      I’m not saying they won’t use it as a distraction since it’s the only beneficial action available to them, but I very much doubt that was the original plan, or that they correctly assessed how badly this would go for them.

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        I’m pretty sure there was reporting on intelligence from before they attacked saying that it was determined it would be a clusterfuck. I’ll have to go check if I’m remembering correctly.

        If that turns out accurate, then the question has to be asked how could they not know it would turn out badly? And since they had to have known, why did they do it anyway? I don’t feel like Trump’s insistence, or overconfidence, is enough to get the war machine going like it did. It very much looked, and still looks like they acted with an unspoken intention, and have just struggled with keeping their stories straight.

        Edit: WaPo link

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          4 days ago

          Top military brass are still vulnerable to making blunders. Take the Bay of Pigs as an example, which fumbled so hard it eventually led JFK to say “The first advice I’m going to give my successor is to watch the generals and to avoid feeling that because they were military men their opinions on military matters were worth a damn.”

          And that’s with ‘normal’ generals. Now imagine replacing them with compliant generals that will take orders regardless of how bad the idea is tactically or politically.

          The same thing happened with Hitler, who ordered his compliant generals into some insane military blunders. The duo of dictatorships and Yes Men massively increase the chances of incompetence compared to systems where those lower on the totem pole can safely push back against dumb ideas.

          The regime could’ve manufactured some more controllable distractions to Epstein without the dramatic downsides the Iran war has brought, such as fake assassination attempts or false flag operations within the US (like a Reichstag fire situation).

          The Iran situation would be like if Hitler tried to invade Poland, but instead of swiftly conquering it, continually started and stopped peace negotiations while Germany’s cost of living skyrocketed.

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            4 days ago

            It’s a fair take. Giving me something to think about.

            I hope you’re right actually because incompetence suggests an end to this madness sooner than later. In my scenario we’re right and truly fucked.

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              The interviews with retired/fired US generals that go over how and why Iran was a drastic miscalculation I think helps solidify that the current regime is incompetent.

              Due to that incompetence, I have a somewhat hopeful view overall of how things may play out, but it could still be a while until things start getting better, including the possibility of an Irish Troubles-like civil war. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that, but I could see it going in that direction if the republican party decide that they’d rather push this as far as they can instead of potentially going to prison if they give up.