Well, notably, most of the Jewish population are not Israeli. There isn’t a large diaspora of Israeli people in NY. As you said, it isn’t a Jewish celebration. It has next to nothing to do with these people.
Your first source doesn’t specify how they’re defining “Israeli” and whether they’re including those with dual citizenship.
Your second source says
By contrast, demographic compilations such as World Population Review list state-level counts of Israelis (for example, roughly 32,071 in New York state and about 30,566 in California), which suggest far smaller base numbers if one focuses strictly on Israeli-born residents recorded in U.S. data [4].
It does not account for people applying for Israeli citizenship after being born in the U.S. meaning 32,000 is a lower end and likely a smaller percentage of the entire population of dual citizenship holders.
You and I are reading that part you quoted very differently. I’m reading it to say that the actual Israel-born people are far lower, because this number includes others, presumably dual citizens.
Regardless, you have provided zero sources, and these are the closest I’ve seen, and the number is far lower than 50%.
I also wouldn’t personally include a dual citizen who has never lived in Israel. They allow any person of Jewish descent to apply for dual citizenship. It hardly makes you Israeli if you’ve never lived there, no matter what the paperwork says. I could write a document that says I’m a Moon person, but that doesn’t mean that I’m actually a person from the moon.
I did mention that a few times in that thread. I 100% agree with you.
I am mainly paranoid of reactionaries infiltrating anti-Zionist spaces and promoting genuine racism and antisemitism.
The original comment is OK, but could be sus as it sort of implies that celebrating foreign heritage is bad (they did say illegitimate and obviously meant Israel), but it could be a dog whistle.
I am paranoid and have seen Nazis try to sneak in places like these, they start with stuff similar to this. I AM NOT CALLING THAT COMMENTER A NAZI, OR AN INFILTRATOR. As that comment was valid, just that it warrants a few caveats and clarifications.
Yeah, honestly one of the most dangerous things Israel has done for Jewish people is their whole “criticism of Israel is antisemitic” nonsense. That’s had the effect of making anyone critical of the zionist project appear very similar to actual antisemites. It isn’t an issue we caused, but it is worth looking out for.
Well, notably, most of the Jewish population are not Israeli. There isn’t a large diaspora of Israeli people in NY. As you said, it isn’t a Jewish celebration. It has next to nothing to do with these people.
They are though. Most of them have dual citizenship.
Citation?
Wikipedia says there are 960,000 jews in NYC.
This says there are ~30,000 Israelis in New York State.
This has similar figures.
So, on the high end, ~3% of Jews in NYC are Israeli.
Your first source doesn’t specify how they’re defining “Israeli” and whether they’re including those with dual citizenship.
Your second source says
It does not account for people applying for Israeli citizenship after being born in the U.S. meaning 32,000 is a lower end and likely a smaller percentage of the entire population of dual citizenship holders.
You and I are reading that part you quoted very differently. I’m reading it to say that the actual Israel-born people are far lower, because this number includes others, presumably dual citizens.
Regardless, you have provided zero sources, and these are the closest I’ve seen, and the number is far lower than 50%.
I also wouldn’t personally include a dual citizen who has never lived in Israel. They allow any person of Jewish descent to apply for dual citizenship. It hardly makes you Israeli if you’ve never lived there, no matter what the paperwork says. I could write a document that says I’m a Moon person, but that doesn’t mean that I’m actually a person from the moon.
I did mention that a few times in that thread. I 100% agree with you.
I am mainly paranoid of reactionaries infiltrating anti-Zionist spaces and promoting genuine racism and antisemitism.
The original comment is OK, but could be sus as it sort of implies that celebrating foreign heritage is bad (they did say illegitimate and obviously meant Israel), but it could be a dog whistle.
I am paranoid and have seen Nazis try to sneak in places like these, they start with stuff similar to this. I AM NOT CALLING THAT COMMENTER A NAZI, OR AN INFILTRATOR. As that comment was valid, just that it warrants a few caveats and clarifications.
Yeah, honestly one of the most dangerous things Israel has done for Jewish people is their whole “criticism of Israel is antisemitic” nonsense. That’s had the effect of making anyone critical of the zionist project appear very similar to actual antisemites. It isn’t an issue we caused, but it is worth looking out for.