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  • I agree, but I put it more down to Fox et al than the social contract.

    I would change it to: " The same people who voted for Obama to show how “Not racist” they were, because they were open to the idea of being not racist suddenly became furious that he won were bombarded by Fox how terrible Obama was and how horrible Democrats were. And they slowly but surely absorbed that message. "

    Fox went absolutely apeshit after Obama was elected, they wanted to do everything they could to bring him down in any way they could. And their rhetorical techniques are good at appealing to people (inb4 lemmy’s seeming misreading, it’s disgusting, but I observe that it works).


  • It’s a little disjointed because I edited in the first paragraph, but yes it does respond to what you said.

    Do you want a line by line breakdown? Ok.

    We’re not talking about the right, though; we’re talking about the left and center.

    Agreed. And guess what? The right wing’s propaganda machine has reached the center. That’s the whole point. 18 years of hardcore propaganda has reached the center. That’s the point of propaganda.

    You know, the people who voted for Obama,

    You don’t have do go very far to find “my dad was the greatest, didn’t care if people were black” EDIT AT ADD: “and voted for Obama”. And those people changed to, well, I won’t repeat much of the Qanon.

    There’s a whole sub for it, remember? QanonCasualties. People that were formely center or Obama voters that got suckered in. That’s the point of propaganda, to spread the message, to increase their voters.

    Why even care what the right thinks?

    The whole point of propaganda is to reach other people. So it’s not what the right thinks, it’s how the people that were formerly center that have been suckered in to the right’s propoganda will vote.

    Sure, but that cuts both ways.

    No it doesn’t cut both ways because left media is beholden to the truth, and right wing media can do whatever they want. They lie their ass off. They twist. They appeal to easy emotions like fear and anger. The left media can’t do that.

    The most popular “news” source is what? Fox.

    You are missing everything. Like fucking everything.




  • That didn’t respond to anything I wrote. The right wing media went nuts and it worked. For 18 years. We can’t act like those 18 years of propaganda didn’t change anything because it did.

    But anyway to respond to what you wrote, I think the best way to address this is you’re looking at the parties, while I’m looking at the votes.

    Hilary said she’d a map room to (read, go to war on) fight climate change. The left never came out. Biden went to good old politics. Won. Kamala relied on woman’s rights. The left never came out. Guess what will happen next time? They will not rely on the left. They will go after the center. The center that actually shows up. (Also see my other comment.)


  • My point was about the last 18 years of right wing propaganda. We can’t act like it didn’t happen and that we’re in the same place as 2008. Like it or not racism has revived. Talking about mass deportation was unimaginable back then. And now it was a major platform that won.

    You don’t have do go very far to find “my dad was the greatest, didn’t care if people were black” to, well, I won’t repeat much of the Qanon. There’s a whole sub for it, remember? QanonCasualties. That’s the point of propaganda, to spread the message, to increase their numbers. And no it doesn’t cut both ways because left media is beholden to the truth, and right wing media can do whatever they want. And they do. And they grow. Most popular “news” source is what? Fox. You are missing everything. Like fucking everything.