Am Cuban, can confirm. Americans believe so much bullshit propaganda about our country. We have been suffering the 42 years I’ve been alive. Members of my family escaped to the US by any means necessary over the years. It’s the kind of hell you risk anything to escape!
You realize the rest of the world has been able to freely travel to Cuba and come back safe and sound since the 60s, right? Like…
We have been suffering the 42 years I’ve been alive […] It’s the kind of hell you risk anything to escape!
??? How the fuck do 4.7 million people visit/year on cruise ships and air planes if Cuba is suffering? I know many Canadian-Cubans that visit family and have families that visit Canada no problem.
Americans believe so much bullshit propaganda about our country
That’s a rather weak argument. Rich people travel to plenty of dangerous places. Those places typically then develop high class resorts with security to attend to them
Don’t mistake my comment to be saying the US is right about Cuba. It absolutely isn’t. I just don’t think “people travel there” is much of an indicator of anything
It’s not just in-bound tourism, I probably made the mistake of emphasizing the cruises. Notice I said that Cubans from outside of America were able to travel to visit family, and vice-versa. If it was such a hellscape, why would people choose to travel back to Cuba after leaving?
If it was not a hellscape why would Cubans still be leaving to declare asylum elsewhere?
Both that claim and your claim are verifiable and true. So clearly there’s something going on that’s not as simple as “is this country a good or bad place to live”. The answer seems to be it depends. Clearly there is some kind of wealth disparity within the country.
Some would argue these immigrants were the formally wealthy class fleeing the revolution, and that was initially true. But that was just over 60 years ago now. This doesn’t explain modern asylum seekers very well.
To be fair I think a lot of Cuba’s struggles and failures are a direct result of decades of US embargo and interference.
Some would argue these immigrants were the formally wealthy class fleeing the revolution, and that was initially true. But that was just over 60 years ago now. This doesn’t explain modern asylum seekers very well
To be fair I think a lot of Cuba’s struggles and failures are a direct result of decades of US embargo and interference.
This I can agree with. I don’t think Cuba is like…HEAVEN for people living there, by the way. But I also disagree that it was an “absolute hellscape” before the Trump Admin 1.0 came in and destroyed any forward momentum the Obama administration created towards fully lifting the embargoes, and I don’t think (as far as I know) the Biden administration did as much to reverse them. The last 12 years is really what has cemented the hardships in Cuba (and Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Nicaragua etc) are suffering from, and this is reflected in the stories of the (non-American) Cubans I hear from daily around me.
Then you have fuckers like Rubio pushing for taking over Cuba “for their own good” and to “save the country” and like… I’m sorry if I feel like residual bitterness of my Cuban friends and family towards American Cubans pushing this narrative colour my view.
In fact; is committing a fallacy of intransitivity, that’s a type of non sequitur fallacy.
And that’s how it is in Cuba and in my country too, and that’s why I’m able to believe that about Cuba in the first place.
The Cuban and Venezuelan governments are the same: the vast majority of the population is below the global thresholds of extreme poverty, in a very precarious situation, where basic services do not work most of the time (in my country we are privileged compared to Cuba; here at least water can reach us from time to time, even if it takes a long time [normally more than a month; although the duty is that it is always present], and the electricity is cut off 8 hours a day [at least that is how it is in the state] where alive], but there is almost no drinking water service and the normal thing is that there is no electricity; they can be without electricity service for more than 18 hours); but obviously they are not going to demonstrate that just as in Brazil they are not going to show you the Favelas, they directly create tourist areas that are a bubble isolated from the reality of the country. It is simply a political ploy to pretend that everything is fine, a facade.
So what you’re really saying is that Cuba’s being economically propped up by the thick rope of tourism, without which it would quickly collapse, right?
Am Cuban, can confirm. Americans believe so much bullshit propaganda about our country. We have been suffering the 42 years I’ve been alive. Members of my family escaped to the US by any means necessary over the years. It’s the kind of hell you risk anything to escape!
Is that hell caused by the Cuban government or the American sanctions?
It’s probably both, but from my perspective as an outsider, the American sanctions seem to be doing a lot more damage.
It’s both for sure. It was originally started by the Cuban government and made progressively worse by sanctions.
You realize the rest of the world has been able to freely travel to Cuba and come back safe and sound since the 60s, right? Like…
??? How the fuck do 4.7 million people visit/year on cruise ships and air planes if Cuba is suffering? I know many Canadian-Cubans that visit family and have families that visit Canada no problem.
Yeah, and you’re literally one of them lmao
That’s a rather weak argument. Rich people travel to plenty of dangerous places. Those places typically then develop high class resorts with security to attend to them
Don’t mistake my comment to be saying the US is right about Cuba. It absolutely isn’t. I just don’t think “people travel there” is much of an indicator of anything
It’s not just in-bound tourism, I probably made the mistake of emphasizing the cruises. Notice I said that Cubans from outside of America were able to travel to visit family, and vice-versa. If it was such a hellscape, why would people choose to travel back to Cuba after leaving?
If it was not a hellscape why would Cubans still be leaving to declare asylum elsewhere?
Both that claim and your claim are verifiable and true. So clearly there’s something going on that’s not as simple as “is this country a good or bad place to live”. The answer seems to be it depends. Clearly there is some kind of wealth disparity within the country.
Some would argue these immigrants were the formally wealthy class fleeing the revolution, and that was initially true. But that was just over 60 years ago now. This doesn’t explain modern asylum seekers very well.
To be fair I think a lot of Cuba’s struggles and failures are a direct result of decades of US embargo and interference.
This I can agree with. I don’t think Cuba is like…HEAVEN for people living there, by the way. But I also disagree that it was an “absolute hellscape” before the Trump Admin 1.0 came in and destroyed any forward momentum the Obama administration created towards fully lifting the embargoes, and I don’t think (as far as I know) the Biden administration did as much to reverse them. The last 12 years is really what has cemented the hardships in Cuba (and Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Nicaragua etc) are suffering from, and this is reflected in the stories of the (non-American) Cubans I hear from daily around me.
Then you have fuckers like Rubio pushing for taking over Cuba “for their own good” and to “save the country” and like… I’m sorry if I feel like residual bitterness of my Cuban friends and family towards American Cubans pushing this narrative colour my view.
In fact; is committing a fallacy of intransitivity, that’s a type of non sequitur fallacy.
And that’s how it is in Cuba and in my country too, and that’s why I’m able to believe that about Cuba in the first place.
The Cuban and Venezuelan governments are the same: the vast majority of the population is below the global thresholds of extreme poverty, in a very precarious situation, where basic services do not work most of the time (in my country we are privileged compared to Cuba; here at least water can reach us from time to time, even if it takes a long time [normally more than a month; although the duty is that it is always present], and the electricity is cut off 8 hours a day [at least that is how it is in the state] where alive], but there is almost no drinking water service and the normal thing is that there is no electricity; they can be without electricity service for more than 18 hours); but obviously they are not going to demonstrate that just as in Brazil they are not going to show you the Favelas, they directly create tourist areas that are a bubble isolated from the reality of the country. It is simply a political ploy to pretend that everything is fine, a facade.
So what you’re really saying is that Cuba’s being economically propped up by the thick rope of tourism, without which it would quickly collapse, right?
Love how you ignored this part and focused on whatever was beneficial for propping up your worldview
It’s almost like the US sanctioning them (and whoever else plays along with that) is what is causing the problems. Maybe.
Exactly.